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posted by dsk on November 22nd, 2011 at 10:08AM

1) Disregard anything Dennis says. None of what he says is relevant. Never even used a phone, much less a current generation smart phone. I mean, do you *really* care if it's open source?
2) I dislike Android, and I really do want to like it. It feels messy to me. The UI isn't quite as polished. There's tons of stutter during various transitions and tweens.
3) iPhone browser is better.
4) I hate iTunes. Big reason NOT to use iPhone. If you like iTunes - get an iPhone.
5) Apple has a better track record of supporting their phones. Samsung is notorious for forgetting all about the previous models once they release a new phone.

Apart from that - it's all personal preference. They're both great phones.

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posted by Calliope on November 22nd, 2011 at 2:26PM

I have had Samasung's Galaxy tablet 8.9, and SII (aptly named Calliope and Hermes) for a few days now. Got deals through my old vendors.

Apple people keep harassing me saying their iPad2 and iPhone 4S are better.

I've read reviews, and they seem on par. From personal experience, Apple products seem more easy to use.

The flash support was my big one up until adobe announced they were finally killing it for html5. Even though this is the case, flash support is still really valuable to internetters like me who watch shit like zero punctuation.

So what I've been saying is what makes my phone and tablet better is that it's the most ideologically pleasing platform. Fuck proprietary bull shit.

In the end, I just like swype.

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posted by dennisn on November 22nd, 2011 at 6:09PM

(Flash is bad. It is ruining the internet -- by making it unparseable (Flash webpages = vomit), and splitting it into company-factions (you need to install a specific retarded company's crap to have the privilege of viewing it). The whole point of the internet was to spread information, via open standards.) I happily ignore Macromedia-monkeys, with pretty much no inconvenience. That little company/group will disappear soon enough. Perhaps you can tell the "zero punctuation et al" people to use open software, at the very least to offer an output option in an open standard. Unless they only want to broadcast to the depressing gated Flash corner of the internet.)

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posted by dennisn on November 22nd, 2011 at 1:48PM

You are aware that governments/companies have placed backdoors in many products (Skype, website certificates, etc), and will continue to do so?

And, I guess you don't really want full control of the machine -- you just want to do a few basic tasks that the company allows you to? That's your choice. Personally, I like complete control of the machine. I don't want to have to stress about the company ever disappearing or deciding to abandon it, as you claim Samsung is notorious for doing.

But, I guess these issues are completely irrelevant, right??

And hardware/software aside, the most important thing of all is internet access -- how much for how many gigs a month?

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posted by dsk on November 22nd, 2011 at 1:59PM

>ou are aware that governments/companies have placed backdoors in many products (Skype, website certificates, etc), and will continue to do so?

So? What are you going to do about it? You know that, for example, DoD won't buy laptops or computers that are made by Chinese companies (e.g. Lenovo). You know why? Because there most likely is a hardware backdoor. Whatever operating system you put on there (open source or otherwise), is irrelevant.

Your computer may have backdoors you aren't aware of. You going to stop using computers?

>how much for how many gigs a month?"

I would venture to guess a full plan (phone, sms, data) would run you anywhere from $60-80 / month (I guess 5-10gig transfer limit).

Is it worth it? Is 5 gigs enough? Well, it's enough for browsing, and email. Not enough for constant youtube use. But it's not really a choice between this and something better (and cheaper). It's a choice between 5 gigs and 0 gigs. I choose the former.

Given that you've never used a smart-phone and don't even know what the current generation offers, you have no credibility in giving advice.

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posted by dennisn on November 23rd, 2011 at 1:56PM

http://www.wired.com/thre...ootkit-brouhaha/

Open/free software. Pshh. Give me "tweens and transitions"!

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posted by dsk on November 23rd, 2011 at 7:51PM

> Give me "tweens and transitions"!"

What's the problem with beautiful, and responsive UI?

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posted by Calliope on November 22nd, 2011 at 8:11PM

In the United States, most wireless plans included unlimited data.
Canada sucks.
Perhaps Dennis would be happier in the US?

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posted by dennisn on November 22nd, 2011 at 8:14PM

Yep, for sure -- at least regarding this issue. And far happier in Europe, or Korea/Japan etc. Canadian telecom is disgusting.

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posted by dennisn on November 22nd, 2011 at 5:58PM

That's retarded -- like arguing that you shouldn't bother locking your doors, because theives can easily use a battering-ram to enter anyways. The point is, you want things to be open. I have never heard of a single backdoor in Free Software. I have heard of *many* in closed-source crap. Who needs sophisticated hardware bugs, when people like you will gladly volunteer to install bugged software. Worry about those "transitions and tween"! -- forget openness and control.

(Who the fuck still uses "phone" and "sms"? Or, rather, who the fuck would still use it if they have internet access? So, $60 for 5gig -- meh, I'll pass.)

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posted by dsk on November 22nd, 2011 at 9:29PM

>The point is, you want things to be open.

Actually, following your analogy ... seems like you want things to be closed.

>Who the fuck still uses "phone" and "sms"

Have you ever noticed those 10-digit numbers? You know, usually separated by hyphens. Example: 123-382-5968. Those are called TELEPHONE numbers. Seems like plenty of people still use them.

>So, $60 for 5gig -- meh, I'll pass

That's the choice here. 5 gigs or nothing. So you went with nothing. I have 25Mbit unlimited internet at home, and a 5Mbit - 5gig internet anywhere I go. Who wins? =)

Funny you complain about archaic nature of phones and sms, and yet, you don't actually don't have a replacement.

And don't talk to me about being archaic. You're still fuckin obsessed with a 15 year old window manager and you think the pinnacle of web development was achieved in the early 90s. My friend, the world has long left you behind. You're rapidly turning into one of those farts who sits around and reminisces about the golden age of their youth. Nothing but a side-show to any passerby ;)

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posted by Calliope on November 22nd, 2011 at 8:08PM

But Dennis, your ideal world will never be. Perhaps it's time to wake up from the dream and face the world's real problems.

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Umm, I'm not dreaming, nor am by dennisn on November 22nd, 2011 at 8:13PM.