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posted by dennisn on April 12th, 2012 at 9:15AM
I specifically asked about your parents and your friends, to avoid these kinds of (evasive) abstractions -- to avoid talking about "unknown distant other people". Does your comment apply to them?
Also, I suppose you are also raising the question of responsibility -- at what point in one's life is one responsible for one's actions? If I murder someone, can I be absolved of guilt and simply say "I was regurgitating what other people forced me to think/do"?
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posted by jenni on April 13th, 2012 at 2:38PM
My comments do apply to people I know, not my family luckily enough, but I can say that I have some friends who I wish were more informed or more involved. Plus the nation of people voted for Harper lets not forget. I have heard comments such as "I guess since the conservatives are in power then that makes me a conservative," Perhaps I should only hang out with socialists
As for responsibility, we all know right from wrong, no one is inherently evil (except Hitler of course, he should be mentioned by now I thought ;)) but people do rationalize bad behavior to suit their needs over others.
The state is much more than just borders but I won't say that public healthcare is a monstrosity, nor is public education. Until everyone has equal choices, until I can choose and be able to go to either public school number 1 or private school number 6, not have to go to public school because money is the way or go to private school because of status I do not think that privatization is a good idea. Again I diverge. oops.
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posted by dennisn on April 13th, 2012 at 9:05PM
So you're saying your parents do not "regurgitate other people's ideas", and so are responsible for their decisions and actions. So, do they support "artificial borders"?
And, as you mentioned, the State is much more than just borders. It is also the violent monopoly on healthcare and education and military et cetera. So, here is a perfect example of how my own dear friends, support my oppression -- you support shooting me, if I don't support your schools and hospitals.
Hence: the State really is our friends and family. (My family supports borders, and shooting me as well. C'est triste.)
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posted by jenni on April 13th, 2012 at 10:35PM
No no I don't support shooting you because, here we are again, I just don't see the gun and you make good food. I see a place where people equally give to a 'state' and the 'state' redistributes that money to benefit all. This is clearly not the case but I like it.
I am pretty sure that my familia is on the same page as I am, since I guess I am just regurgitating the ideas that I grew up with, do they support 'artificial borders' I don't know but you can be sure I am asking them tomorrow!
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posted by dennisn on April 12th, 2012 at 9:17AM
(Also, The State is more than just artificial borders. It is also "Public Schooling", "Public Healthcare", "Public Military", etc. Who is responsible for all those monstrosities?)
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