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posted by dennisn on January 4th, 2015 at 6:57AM

Agreed. Specifically, I think this survival mechanism is designed to make us conform to social expectations (parental, et cetera), and underpins our herding mentality, and our deep sense of morality. It would be really messed up if this gets coopted for conforming to shallow/unhealthy ends, as it usually does :s. (I think this is why most people recoil and reject the idea of good vs evil (eg. Karina), since such pressure was used invalidly against them in youth.)
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posted by jenni on January 4th, 2015 at 1:33PM

It is messed up that many people have developed self-deprecating behaviors to conform to some pretty inhumane standards, as opposed to dealing with unmet needs, desires or traumas and progressing as a world filled with healthy, compassionate individuals (which, imho, would solve many of the worlds problems).

I suppose some choose to ignore reality and create their own narrative by normalizing unhealthy behaviors or abuse as a part of life. I often ask people what they think is the reason that some folks choose not to deal with their problems or strive for healthier alternatives to their current lifestyle choices and most of the answers are too sad to even repeat. Which is an answer in itself.

Perhaps Mr. Curtis was trapped in a traumatized loop that kept being filled and enlarged with more trauma/self-hate and he became incapable of ever seeing/having hope for a way out, consciously or subconsciously. Although I would like to hope that our subconscious has survival as a primary desire/innate need and seeks to achieve that with healthy means and something (trauma, illusions, etc) in our conscious minds prevents/blocks some from achieving those goals. Or would trauma be rooted in the subconscious and everything that becomes the self grows from there...thoughts to ponder for the day.

posted by dennisn on January 5th, 2015 at 5:49AM

"and most of the answers are too sad to even repeat" ... well now you have to repeat them. You can't just leave the audience hanging like that!

posted by jenni on January 5th, 2015 at 9:23PM

One person once told me they couldn't understand or see the point of self-improvement, dealing with trauma or a healthier lifestyle (which is just a symptom of depression, imo, if they cannot envision a happier/better future, or perhaps they don't equate health with happiness...). A loss of hope seems to be the general theme when I inquire why people (myself included when in the middle of an existential crisis) don't want to deal with their issues. Which troubles me as I really want people to deal with their baggage as this is what I think would solve many of the worlds problems. Happy people don't want to kill each other :)

posted by dennisn on January 6th, 2015 at 6:17AM

I think here is where Molyneux's cult really shines -- these shallow fearful people are free to be shallow and fearful, and we are free to stay the fuck away from them. (Defoo, etc.)

I think that is too conditiona by jenni on January 6th, 2015 at 3:42PM.