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posted by dennisn on January 28th, 2011 at 11:52AM
There are no rooms without rapists. (Every square inch of land is currently owned by many rapists. Such is the nature of contemporary Statism.)
Nevertheless, it is still absolutely not her fault, for being raped.
(I must applaud you, nevertheless, for having the balls to follow through your logic. Most people don't get to this stage. So, yeah, you have just said that it is the woman's fault for getting raped. This is what everyone who uses the "get out of my continent/planet" argument says too, but never directly.)
(I know there are Statists everywhere on earth. I know they like to prey on innocent productive people. I also think it is absurd to choose one form of rape (say anal), over another (vaginal). Rape is wrong, period, always, period.)
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posted by Nylorac on January 28th, 2011 at 11:52AM
I didn't say it was her fault.
I said you were asking the wrong question.
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posted by dennisn on January 28th, 2011 at 12:21PM
In fact, you are asking the wrong question. Free individuals can do whatever they want, so long as they don't harm others. (As the woman in our State-Rape metaphor. (Not exactly a metaphor, in fact.)) Even if you assume that the woman was acting seductively, or masochistically, it is still absolutely irrelevant. The ONLY point worth raising is the punishment of the rapist. The fact that you bring into question the victim's culpability *at all*, shows a fundamental misunderstanding of morality.
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posted by dennisn on January 28th, 2011 at 11:55AM
And I quote:
"Knowing [that rapists exist in a room], the woman puts on a hat and walks into the room with the rapist, and that is not equipped with tools to defend against the rapist. Is what she did her fault?"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your implication was that it is? (If it's not, then great, we're on the same page! Rapists (ie. pro-taxation people, etc, etc) are 100% guilty. Case closed.
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posted by Nylorac on January 28th, 2011 at 11:57AM
...so I quote:
Asking if she is at fault is fruitless. The answer will be 'no', but you're overlooking the very much more important question: why would she knowingly do that? IMHO, at the very least, it's irrational. It seems like suicide. It's masochistic. She may not be at fault, but do we fault the rapist for being a rapist? You are wont to say 'yes', but that seems hardly fair. You abhor the rapist who acts according to his/her nature, but exalt the irrational woman who knowingly betrays herself. It's curious.
If it was to make an example of herself, then she needn't have done it. Everyone knew the rapist was a rapist.
If it was because she felt wronged because she was not able to enjoy the room that the rapist was in because the rapist was in it, then she was being selfish. Part of our assumption was that the rapist wasn't coming after her.
I lean most towards the former, but also believe that she also had masochistic tendencies. Am I right? Is that why you moved to Quebec?
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