posted by dennisn on July 26th, 2023 at 10:51AM
> Lol, you actually believe that???
Yes.
> Any bloke with a modicum of common sense could easily realize that that wouldn't happen at all. [people wouldn't voluntarily agree to rules].
Which rules, that you willingly opted into, did you break? Which would you break in the future? Ie. I'd put a lot of money that you're being a dishonest shithead again, as usual. Your paranoid mind keeps imagining these fake monsters, to justify your blood lust.
> If anything, the rule providers would all fight and kill each other over which rules, crimes, and punishments
There wouldn't be any such fighting under your King George? Real fighting is very costly, it's not nearly as common as your parnoid fearful mind thinks. As I mentioned before, the US could trivially take over Canada (militarily, not culturally), and impose it's (actually better, slightly more moral) laws (eg. free speech, gun ownership, slightly more moral healthcare, etc), but it doesn't, cuz it's expensive af, and probably wouldn't even work in the long term due to deep seated cultural differences.
But, what was your point? That people shouldn't fight for what they really believe is right? That other countries shouldn't have intervened in ww2 (just going with the (almost certainly false) holocaust narrative)? That countries shouldn't intervene when real provable genocides are occurring?
> It is truly ridiculous, crazy, and idiotic that you think that would any better than what we have now.
It's truly ridiculous, crazy, and idiotic that you think slavery is better than freedom and consensual relationships.
> the rule providers would all seek to find out who's the best at all-out tribal warfare
You'd seek and fund dispute resolution orgs that support ALL-OUT TRIBAL warfare? Or did you mean just those that are most competent, and would coincidentally also be best at that too, in the insanely unlikely scenario that that ever happens? Cuz the latter option is obvious, you didn't need to say that - obviously people will seek the best and most competent service. Hopefully the most consent-respecting one too. Or would you rather choose one that supports slavery and violent conquest? Like say there were 2 leading ones, and that was their main differentiating factor, which one would you choose?
> Statism isn't slavery
Yea, like I keep saying, it's pointless talking to you. You are putting effort into not understanding things, and not even accepting basic obvious definitions. If you were honest you'd say that sure, it's slavery, it's non-consensual in many ways, but it's for our own good.
> it's slavery for parents to force their children to do household chores
Children != adults. This exposes how you're still in childhood. Grow up dude. The way you try to treat other adult men as children, to obey Big Daddy and Big Brother is super cringe, and evil. As I keep saying, you have unprocessed trauma from your violent abusive parents, you've internalized their messaging that you're a bad boy that deserved the punishment, and that still needs their stern hand and whip to keep you in line - but more perniciously you think that other guys are like you and similarly need to be enslaved to prevent their inner deamons from running amock. Your parents broke you and now you're trying to break the world.
(Forcing kids to do things is indeed very cruel and indeed very much like slavery, it shouldn't happen. Did your parents force you to do things? Have you told them they were cruel (and probably evil) for doing that?)
> You're trying to portray normal, non-crazy people who are fine with [slavery/consent violation] as being exploited
The problem isn't that you bitch-slaves are "fine with slavery", it's that you force other spined men to be subjected to it too, you don't support other men living in peace on their own, you don't support leaving other people tf alone, your paranoid sick brains need absolute complete total control to quell your fears (and even then they wouldn't be quelled because it's an irrational imaginary fear rooted in the injustice of your parents).
Yes.
> Any bloke with a modicum of common sense could easily realize that that wouldn't happen at all. [people wouldn't voluntarily agree to rules].
Which rules, that you willingly opted into, did you break? Which would you break in the future? Ie. I'd put a lot of money that you're being a dishonest shithead again, as usual. Your paranoid mind keeps imagining these fake monsters, to justify your blood lust.
> If anything, the rule providers would all fight and kill each other over which rules, crimes, and punishments
There wouldn't be any such fighting under your King George? Real fighting is very costly, it's not nearly as common as your parnoid fearful mind thinks. As I mentioned before, the US could trivially take over Canada (militarily, not culturally), and impose it's (actually better, slightly more moral) laws (eg. free speech, gun ownership, slightly more moral healthcare, etc), but it doesn't, cuz it's expensive af, and probably wouldn't even work in the long term due to deep seated cultural differences.
But, what was your point? That people shouldn't fight for what they really believe is right? That other countries shouldn't have intervened in ww2 (just going with the (almost certainly false) holocaust narrative)? That countries shouldn't intervene when real provable genocides are occurring?
> It is truly ridiculous, crazy, and idiotic that you think that would any better than what we have now.
It's truly ridiculous, crazy, and idiotic that you think slavery is better than freedom and consensual relationships.
> the rule providers would all seek to find out who's the best at all-out tribal warfare
You'd seek and fund dispute resolution orgs that support ALL-OUT TRIBAL warfare? Or did you mean just those that are most competent, and would coincidentally also be best at that too, in the insanely unlikely scenario that that ever happens? Cuz the latter option is obvious, you didn't need to say that - obviously people will seek the best and most competent service. Hopefully the most consent-respecting one too. Or would you rather choose one that supports slavery and violent conquest? Like say there were 2 leading ones, and that was their main differentiating factor, which one would you choose?
> Statism isn't slavery
Yea, like I keep saying, it's pointless talking to you. You are putting effort into not understanding things, and not even accepting basic obvious definitions. If you were honest you'd say that sure, it's slavery, it's non-consensual in many ways, but it's for our own good.
> it's slavery for parents to force their children to do household chores
Children != adults. This exposes how you're still in childhood. Grow up dude. The way you try to treat other adult men as children, to obey Big Daddy and Big Brother is super cringe, and evil. As I keep saying, you have unprocessed trauma from your violent abusive parents, you've internalized their messaging that you're a bad boy that deserved the punishment, and that still needs their stern hand and whip to keep you in line - but more perniciously you think that other guys are like you and similarly need to be enslaved to prevent their inner deamons from running amock. Your parents broke you and now you're trying to break the world.
(Forcing kids to do things is indeed very cruel and indeed very much like slavery, it shouldn't happen. Did your parents force you to do things? Have you told them they were cruel (and probably evil) for doing that?)
> You're trying to portray normal, non-crazy people who are fine with [slavery/consent violation] as being exploited
The problem isn't that you bitch-slaves are "fine with slavery", it's that you force other spined men to be subjected to it too, you don't support other men living in peace on their own, you don't support leaving other people tf alone, your paranoid sick brains need absolute complete total control to quell your fears (and even then they wouldn't be quelled because it's an irrational imaginary fear rooted in the injustice of your parents).
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Prisoner's Dilemmas and Ancaps
posted by Lucifer on July 26th, 2023 at 2:58PM > Real fighting is very costly
If it's costly, then why does it always happen? Being costly isn't enough to prevent war. Ancaps don't understand game theory. > It's truly ridiculous, crazy, and idiotic that you think slavery is better than freedom and consensual relationships. It's truly ridiculous, crazy, and idiotic that you think you're not violating your kids consent by birthing them into existence. You're such a monster. > Grow up dude. No, you need to grow up. You can't accept human nature. You think everybody will just get along with each other in Ancapistan. They won't. That's not consistent with human nature. You have to use force to make people cooperate. There's no other way. Remember the Prisoner's Dilemma: https://thewaywardaxolotl....and-society.html
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