posted by dsk on November 29th, 2011 at 11:07PM
You're deflecting. I want you to answer directly the two scenarios (plus one more).
Do you support the right to buy graphic child pornography directly from "content creator" (e.g. the child rapist)?
Do you support the right to pay for and view LIVE child rape by a third party? That is the right to pay a rapist for, say, webcam view of child rape (a rape which would have happened regardless)?
(and a third)
Do you support the right of child rapists to trade images/videos of their rapes?
Do you support the right to buy graphic child pornography directly from "content creator" (e.g. the child rapist)?
Do you support the right to pay for and view LIVE child rape by a third party? That is the right to pay a rapist for, say, webcam view of child rape (a rape which would have happened regardless)?
(and a third)
Do you support the right of child rapists to trade images/videos of their rapes?
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posted by dennisn on November 30th, 2011 at 11:09AM
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Stranger: gay looking for gay/bi male... waits for disconnection.. You: quick question: You: :) You: Do you support the right to buy graphic child pornography? Stranger: no.. You: with an explanation :p Stranger: no because children are minors and shpouldnt be subjected to sexual acts for the purpose of older ages pleasure :P You: i agree, but that's a different topic You: we're talking about after-the-fact You: so, more like evidence of a crime Stranger: right? o.O ya lost me :P You: so, should it be okay/legal to buy images of rape, for example You: child-rape, whatever Stranger: no because its a terrible ordeal for the child as it is, so the fact that people would buy it is wrong.. essentially it would be as good as paedophilia :/ You: how is it wrong? You: because the existence of the stuff further traumatizes the kid in the future? Stranger: exactly You: yea, that's valid You: what about war photography then You: so, for example, the Collateral Damage/Murder video You: of innocent reporters getting murdered You: (by the US military :p) Stranger: no because it is making the idea of killing and warfare a very fake truth, it makes it look fun almost, when in reality, what the people in the war go through is horrific.. You: but, would you say it should be legal or illegal to buy the collateral murder video? You: (have you heard about that video, btw?) You: (it was released by wikileaks...) Stranger: once again it should be illegal you shouldnt be able to buy that kind of thing, its disgusting, imagine how the families of the people getting killed would feel knowing tthat people were buying videos of the children, brothers sisters etc getting killed Your conversational partner has disconnected. |
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posted by dennisn on November 30th, 2011 at 10:39AM
Do you support the right to buy graphic child pornography?
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posted by dennisn on November 30th, 2011 at 10:12AM
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posted by dennisn on November 29th, 2011 at 11:19PM
Umm, I answered quite directly.
Although, I misread the first question. You mentioned buying stuff directly from the criminal. Which is pretty darn close to a direct involvement in the crime. It's not as bad as committing the crime, but pretty close. (It's similar to the distinction between an assassin and the person who pays for him -- ie. between Bush and a "soldier"). I'm actually still not sure about this issue. Should only the assassin/rapist/criminal be charged, or those that incentivized him as well? I'm going to lean on the side of caution, and say that it's okay to pay for whatever you want. Only the person committing the actual crime is the criminal. (Thought experiment: I make a bitcoin pool for anyone to kill Obama. Someone eventually does. Are the people who entered the pool complicit in the crime? I say no.) I'm not sure what the difference between that and the second question is. But the reasoning will be the same -- only the person doing the crime should get charged for the crime. The slope is unecessarily way too slippery any other way. (Any anti-Obama person can be said to have incentivized an Obama assassin). Although, the fact that you said it would have happened regardless further distances the payers from the crime. Thirdly, I definitely support the right of anyone to trade any information -- including child rapists of their rapes. Not only is the only alternative a lack of free speech (free speech is binary), but it will also probably help as evidence in finding them. The only possible contentious issue is that of imaginary property / "privacy", but that is far less serious.
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