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posted by dennisn on July 10th, 2023 at 9:21PM
> Prove [there's no such thing as the public] without using moral dogma
LEARN TO READ. I said it's an abstraction. "The public" has no will or no values apart from those of it's individuals. It's not a thing, it's a collection of competing individual interests. I even tried to help you out, tried to steelman you, by suggesting that what you meant was "the majority of individuals." READ BETTER!
> No, not at all. That would defeat the purpose and goal of taxing land value.
Well I was arguing with another commie georgist who said that everyone should be alotted a calculated amount of land. That does sound a lot more in line with your purported values - how are you going to stop "over consumption" (as you subjectively arbitrarily define it)? (Rhetorical question, I basically know how.) The differences between all you commies are blurry and negligible - in every case you sicko tyrants want to impose your particular insecurities and wills on everyone else.
> That would defeat the purpose and goal of taxing land value.
No it wouldn't. Your stated goal is resource management. You don't even know your own goals and values.
> Same with Ancap political "defense" corporations."
Dishonest fag. I literally gave you the difference, we have competing options, and options to opt out. Your gay Georgism doesn't seem to have any of that! You explicitly say you would not allow secession or competition!
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> It's an abstraction.
And it's a very useful abstraction with predictive and explanatory power.
> I was arguing with another commie georgist who said that everyone should be alotted a calculated amount of land.
Well fuck that guy. He ain't no Georgist. He's just a poser.
> How are you going to stop "over consumption"?
By taxing natural resources.
> The differences between all you commies are blurry and negligible.
I could say the same about Ancaps and Dictators.
> Your stated goal is resource management. You don't even know your own goals and values.
Land value taxation accomplishes both of those goals. I do know what my goals and values are.
> we have competing options, and options to opt out
Nope, this is just more dishonesty for promoting your retarded political agenda.
You can't guarantee that your political corporations will provide opt-out options.
In fact, corporations wouldn't even exist without the free market to establish them.
> You explicitly say you would not allow secession.
We do allow secession. Secession from Russia, China, North Korea are all good in my book!
> or competition.
If you don't like living under the Canadian NAP, then move to America and live under the American NAP.
We do allow competition. And lots of it.
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posted by dennisn on July 10th, 2023 at 9:52PM
> By taxing natural resources.
You are too stupid and dishonest to have a conversation with. Wrong fag, you don't even know your own ideas. Your solution is to have a tiny central (global-)monopoly committee simply violently asserting who gets what, and what they're allowed to do. Taxes are just an irrelevant veneer to fog things. If you don't like what Gates is doing with the Amazon Rainforest, which he can probably easily buy, you'll just (violently) stop him. So simple, eh? Such a simple solution for such a simple mind.
> He ain't no Georgist. He's just a poser
That's what he'd say about you. You fags are so convincing ;). Meanwhile, in ancap land, we all basically agree on everything. That's the magic of principles. You should try it some time in your miserable confused life.
> I could say the same about Ancaps and Dictators.
True. And you did. And that's why you're a clown that nobody can take seriously. Freedom and optionality is the same as enslavement. Fuck your mom.
> You can't guarantee that your political corporations will provide opt-out options
No shit dumbass. Nothing in life is guaranteed, not even the promises of your gay master George. The market will provide whatever it wants. Currently "the market" (most individuals) want communism, like you, so that's what the market is providing. Once most people start respecting consent and justice, we'll the market will provide consent-respecting contract-respecting just services. Tautology.
> Secession from Russia, China, North Korea are all good in my book
Confused retard. So the thing that gave the US so many of the values that you (sometimes, incoherently) purport to value (gun rights, free speech, etc) ... you're somehow incoherently against that (even though it gave you all those things), but you'd support that in your "enemy" countries (you never explained why you're against Russia!) ... because you think it'll harm them - even though it helped the US. Your mind is a god-damned mess!
> If you don't like living under the Canadian NAP, then move to America and live under the American NAP
I addressed this point so many times you dishonest fuck. Why not unowned land?
And, since it now turns out that you don't have any limits on land usage or resource usage (the only reason you gave to assure us that the whole Amazon wouldn't be chopped down, was that Gates wouldn't be able to afford it, not cuz there was any limit to how much land he could own, or what he could do with it), so since you don't seem to have any actual limits of land usage/distribution, why do you care so much if people live in unowned/unpossessed northern canada, or siberia, and do their own thing?
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