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posted by dennisn on November 3rd, 2008 at 12:33PM

Well, to the extent that morality is simply personal imagination, sure, state coercion isn't "universally" evil. Nothing is.

But, in practical terms, I think stealing is "universally" accepted as wrong. And that is *precisely* what I am complaining about. The reason why everyone isn't outraged yet is due to extremely powerful social brainwashing, not to mention bribery. Not only does the state completely hide the problem with misleading "synonyms" and euphemisms, but they bribe those who would be most inclined to revolt (the poor).

I cannot "let them be", or "let the issue be". Stealing is wrong, period. It is especially bad, since what the money is being stolen for, I /strongly/ feel is the root of a lot of evils: state-education is the root of evil state-brainwashing which includes the whitewashing of history and the indoctrination of the need for the very existence of a state; the military is the root of all wars and other state aggressions which would not occur otherwise by small communities alone.
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posted by Nylorac on November 3rd, 2008 at 2:04PM

My point is that not all view it as "state coercion".   Many see it as a shared pool to strengthen community, and similar such nonsense.

>>The reason why everyone isn't outraged yet is due to extremely powerful social brainwashing, not to mention bribery.

Not true.   Again, there may possibly exist a genuine, educated bunch that just simply like how the government and general administration of our country works.

Stealing is wrong.   For those who do not consider themselves victims:
-if after being educated, then you can't do anything
-if not, then you have to let them first learn all perspectives before deciding that yours is "true"

posted by dennisn on November 3rd, 2008 at 2:16PM

No. If you ask any reasonable one of those alleged "educated" communists, he would agree that stealing is wrong among individuals, but ok for the state to do. (People say the same thing about violence as well.) It is obvious hypocrisy. Whether the state brainwashed him (as I posit), or he actually came to this conclusion on his own, is irrelevant.

A slightly more palatable argument would be that it is a necessary evil--like police. Now, I absolutely disagree with this, but at least there is an acknowledgement that it is indeed evil. But this is never expressed. Communists actually believe that it is /good/ to steal and coerce people, for the benefit of the community.