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posted by dennisn on August 29th, 2008 at 6:59PM

Yes. I can't think of any confusing examples. It worked beautifully in this case until people fucked it up with entirely unrelated ideas.
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posted by Nylorac on August 29th, 2008 at 7:58PM

It's not confusing.   My point is that it's vague.

posted by dennisn on August 29th, 2008 at 8:15PM

Not really. Even with the wierd definition you mentioned, and the misleading definitions politicians constantly mention, the core remains the same -- nobody controlling my life.

Whether that means that I don't follow ANY rules, or that I will become violent and induce chaos (highly suspicious speculation), is entirely irrelevant to the core concept. It does not deny you collectivists to pay for your own police to protect yourselves, or to follow whatever rules you guys choose.