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Badposted by dennisn on August 3rd, 2011 at 6:07PM
All crap. None of them do anything that doesn't already exist (in far better forms) -- all they try to do is reinvent the wheel, in a browser. It's a crazy new fad -- everything-in-a-webbrowser. The main driver is the retarded masses who don't know what a program is. It will be profitable, sure -- but it'll never win the hearts or minds of actual smart people -- the ones who actually matter. It has no relevance to my life.
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posted by dsk on August 4th, 2011 at 11:43AM
What's the difference between rendering a typical html page (with html markup and css styling), and rendering html5 canvas, or webGL markup? With html5 canvas the browser is making the same goddamn calls to the underlying 2d api as it does to render css or html markup, it's just with the latter canvas syntax maps more directly to lower-level code. With webGL, you essentially have a openGL api.
>It's a crazy new fad -- everything-in-a-webbrowser.
... not everything, just things that make sense. Webmail is by far more useful to more people than desktop email clients. Why? Because I don't need my computer to check my email. That's what a browser will give you. It doesn't mean browsers should replace *all* desktop apps, but it sure as hell will make things easier (useful) in quite a bit of cases.
You're wrong.
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posted by dennisn on August 4th, 2011 at 3:23PM
("Webmail" is nothing special -- I ran a crippled php "webmail" script. It provided decent html display of my emails while I was abroad. It doesn't require any fancy scripting -- I don't want or expect it to mimic my real email client. If I did, I would just setup an ssh (possibly -X) tunnel to my machine. Moreover, using untrusted hardware provided by strangers is generally not a good thing if you value your privacy at all -- so you kinda still do need your own computer. "Webmail" in this case is intended to serve as a last-resort -- not as your personal client.)
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posted by dennisn on August 4th, 2011 at 3:13PM
Again, I simply have absolutely no need for anything-in-a-browser (besides an html viewer.) I already have pretty awesome programs that do all the other things I need -- there are far more of them written in C and such, (far more choice and control and customization ability), and they're far better than anything this new Yet Another Framework / Reinvented Wheel has to offer.
(Regarding opengl-in-html (or whatever it is), if you give me a single good reason for it, I'll give it a second thought. In general though, it just sounds like a bad idea. It adds bloat, probably just duplicates stuff that already exists, hinders code-accessibility/readability, adds tonnes of possible virus vectors, et cetera.)
The WWW has been around for over 20 years, and JavaScript (and all it's retarded offpsring) has added essentially nothing -- it did nothing important that couldn't already have been done without it -- rather, it usually broke things. (More trouble parsing content, more bugs, more incompatibilities, more viruses.) It has only been an obstacle in my life.
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posted by dsk on August 8th, 2011 at 2:00PM
>besides an html viewer.
You mean you want an html *4* viewer. And a css viewer. Apparently not html 5 viewer because perfection was reached with html 4. And not an html 3 viewer because it wasn't quite perfect.
>Moreover, using untrusted hardware provided by strangers is generally not a good thing if you value your privacy at all.
That's a nonsensical statement in a world with such things as online banking.
>It provided decent html display of my emails while I was abroad.
So you provide an use-case for web-based access to your personal resources that made your life easier and could not be replicated with installed software and you still don't understand how every other person on this planet prefers a browser for numerous other (similar) conveniences?
> I would just setup an ssh (possibly -X) tunnel to my machine.
... because of course using ssh is conceptually so much different than using the http protocol. Apparently you're fine with socket based client-server architecture when using ssh, but hey, if you want to do something similar via http (e.g. have a server push something down to the client without waiting for the client to poll or refresh the page), that's sacrilege.
>so you kinda still do need your own computer.
Nobody says you need to replace your computer.
>It doesn't require any fancy scripting
You wrote it in php which has it's own underlying runtime.
>It adds bloat
You don't know what bloat means.
>it did nothing important that couldn't already have been done without it.
How do you manipulate the html DOM tree without javascript?
>Regarding opengl-in-html (or whatever it is), if you give me a single good reason for it
Quake in a browser. Takes up no space. Runs in a sandbox. The entire client-side footprint (memory/disk) is gone when you close your browser. Instantaneous updates. No install means it will run under any computer, even computers that you don't have admin access to (which would prevent you from installing a binary).
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