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posted by Nylorac on December 16th, 2008 at 5:10PM

Intellectual property is too broad.  

In the given example of a cure for AIDS, IP protection rights can have greater value for society.

In the case of a song, or a fiction book, I would like to see these distributed freely without restraint.   It wouldn't worsen the landscapes of the relative industries - it may just broaden it.  

I feel like further study needs to be done to compare the existing categories of IP, and determine if they are being protected properly within that category.
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posted by dennisn on December 16th, 2008 at 6:43PM

I don't understand why it's so hard for y'all to agree with me. I know it's fun to contradict me--but I'm pretty sure it goes beyond that. IMHO, y'all are really brainwashed :\; Big Brother has y'all.

I mean, think about it. All the positions that I take are for (my own and everyone else's) freedom, and you guys consistently oppose them. There's no reason to oppose them, since even if they won't benefit you (and they will), they certainly won't hurt you--whereas what I am fighting against certainly does directly and physically hurt me.

posted by Nylorac on December 16th, 2008 at 8:26PM

Your sort of "freedom" is really restricted.   That's the problem that you don't seem to realize.

posted by dennisn on December 16th, 2008 at 11:30PM

Not only do I not know what that means, but I don't have any idea what that has to do with the discussion. About the violent restriction of the freedom in my personal life to copy (or not) as I personally see fit. (This is real and violent oppression because they can effectively break into anyone's house, seize anyone's property, perhaps even cage people, all to stop allegedly free individuals from freely associating with one another.)

Why are you even hesitating to "grant" me my freedom?

posted by Nylorac on December 17th, 2008 at 9:34AM

It's relevant.   Just because you don't want to admit it, doesn't mean that it isn't.

Oh, and because it affects everyone else'.

How is arguing for more freedo by dennisn on December 17th, 2008 at 10:35AM.
No. by Nylorac on December 17th, 2008 at 11:25AM.
See, it probably is funny to j by dennisn on December 17th, 2008 at 1:29PM.

posted by dennisn on December 16th, 2008 at 6:29PM

No and no. Do you not agree that it violates our constitutional rights? Our right to our own lives? That copying, say in our own private homes, is an entirely personal action, that nobody has the right to violently prevent us from doing?

I know it's tempting to avoid the issue, and blur the laws--you have no choice really, when you're dealing with an illegal and contradictory law. So, I suppose if you want to completely trample over our most fundamental social contract, I can't stop you--but you should at least recognize that this is what you, and other copy-enforcement advocates are doing.

And this careless attitude leads to precisely the kinds of ideas that you mention: sacrificing individual freedom for the "greater value for society". Number one: says who? I certainly don't agree with you there. And number two: it is illegal to violate other people's rights.

There is no room for feeling and subjectivity in law, however tempting it may be.